The Full Time Verdict: Wenger IN or OUT?

By on May 24, 2011

And so it’s been said. We all knew it, and now it’s official. The reason Arsenal have not got any silverware is because of its defensive ability.

I have written before that there has been a divide in the Arsenal sphere, and fans are now starting to choose sides, over the main issue of Sacking the Boss. Hmmm…sacking the boss, I’ll come to that later.

I hear fans say year after year we have qualified for the champions league, and that we have always finished in the top 4. Now that actually got me thinking. What has the Gooners psyche come to? Why is it that everybody is happy that we have finished in the top 4? Where is the spirit to win something for a change? Where is the spirit to win?

Our manager is stubborn, and he will not listen to the voice of reason. Something I have known for quite some time. Infact this is an extract of a letter I wrote to the man before the first day of the season.

Before I end my letter let me tell you something. I love my club, and I do not want to see it get beaten down so badly even though it is financially completely stable. My request to you is that, if you have any doubts that you will not be able to give us a trophy this year, please give in your resignation to the board. There is still time and a new manager can be appointed. We as Arsenal fans can never doubt what a man like you has done for the club so far as the debts are concerned. But at the end of the day, as fans, we want trophies, not balanced books. So please check yourself before you start managing this season, not only in your hands do you manage a top-class club but also in your hands rests the happiness of a million Gooners around the globe…

I doubted his contribution from day 1 of the season, as I knew something is wrong with him. He is not pragmatic and he will not change. He WILL NOT! IF he does not change Arsenal’s situation will not change and we will go on supporting a club which is heading down the wrong path.

Wenger has been acting like a narcissistic drone all these years, and in this year it has finally pissed us of so much that every blog I go to says that something at Arsenal should change.

SACKING THE BOSS

1. WENGER OUT:

Now to the topic of sacking the boss. Let’s look at this logically. If Wenger leaves, surely there is going to be some commotion? Gooners will not like it, and the media is going to hype it up so much.

Then again, what will Arsenal gain? A new manager will come in. He shall want to spend (otherwise there is no difference between the 2, at least in this aspect), and we may get some players. As for the current crop of players, they shall not approve of the manager leaving, and we may just bid farewell to our captain as he catches the next flight to Spain.

The club shall ‘increase’ it spending, and thus this will reduce the Gross profit, and thus hamper the efficient running of the club. If the new manager spends he is not doing it the Arsenal way, so there again we have a shift in philosophy.

The entire club is going to change. Why? Because we have a new manager with new policies, a new mindset, and a new way to do things. Unless of course the new guy is Dragan Stojkovic, but if reports are true I hear he has signed a new deal with his club.


2. WENGER  STAYS:

Now if Wenger does not go then we can be assured that Cesc has a chance of staying in North London. The club will maintain its principles, values and ethics. Something which we as fans do not entirely agree on. At least, in terms of transfers.

Overall I don’t know what will change, all we can hope is that “something will.”

However, there is 1 point. If AW stays, our squad will be more comfortable with what is going on in the club, and this is quite crucial. We can compare the situation to an employee who is in a job in which he not certain to stay. If you are not certain whether you shall stay or not then you won’t work well.

To be brief, it turns into a situation where we may win a trophy, JUST LIKE EVERY YEAR, but this time our team will be even more experienced..

Wenger is not the man to lead Arsenal. Well, he did do it for 14 years. A friend of mine did mention the point that he spent 4 years out of the 6 in which we have been trophy less in rebuilding. In that time he has managed to fund an entire stadium of 60000 people. And he has NOT LET the club become like Liverpool or fall into bankruptcy. The debts are in control, and he wishes to WIN A TROPHY showing the world that he did it in a perfect manner. Ok, let me correct myself, in a manner in which he thinks is perfect.

THE VERDICT:

I have said earlier that I was not entirely convinced about him from day 1 of the season. He did not sign anybody who I felt would provide a boost to the current Arsenal team. And well, I was right. But at the same time, I was wrong. Szczesny has proved AW’s faith in his young goalies. Rambo and Jack have again re-instilled faith in us Gooners that they can carry this team. And as it stands we have really improved on our performances this season.

Now I know some may say we have less points than last season, but there is a difference here which  these ‘some’ forget. Every year the premier league becomes more and more difficult. Every year we have teams performing better. As competitiveness increases so does the standard, and hence the results. This time the title was won with the lowest points total, so one can see the difference in standards between the 2010 and 2011.

I am not going to lie here. DKD and I (but especially DKD) have abused Wenger, and called him many things because I felt he was not good enough with his tactics. Few Experts believe that Wenger is a great coach but not a great manager. If you ever notice, the formations which he puts up have no real sting in them. For instance, under Mourinho Inter played a 4-2-1-3 when they faced Italian teams, but when they face FCB they switched to a 5-4-1. Each formation has a stint of ‘attack’, or ‘ultra defense’ in them. The only thing which our manager does is swap the players positions in formations. If we play a 4-3-3, then the 3 in the middle go on changing. Everything else is static.

Szczesny has come out and said that he believes in Wenger and that the manager should not change. He has reasons to believe it as he says that the team is responsible and that the manager has stood by them throughout the season. That I have to agree on. AW has stood behind this team as if it was his child. He has build this team, and he has not given up hope on this team, ever!

Should he stay or should he go….

The Armoury’s author DKD’s VERDICT:

I feel he should stay. Yes, I know it may come as a shocker to ‘some people’, who are ‘AW’s followers’ and visit this blog often, but I think he should stay. BUT, (and I have to mention this one) my verdict is mainly based on the fact he will not realistically leave because the board do not have the spine to sack him!

MY VERDICT : He should stay

Well, what can be the worst case scenario if he stays? The club will repeat what they have done for 6 years, and after the season finishes he will be forced to change, by if I may add, a very very very very very angry fan Base!

On the other hand if he stays, we are going to contest for the title, forget that, we are going to contest for the ‘Quadruple’ and we shall be run in an efficient manner. And well, we may just win something! I mean look how close we were this season…

CONCLUSION:

I hope my verdict is okay, in view of ‘the things’ I have said against our manager. Personally I believe the man deserves something or life is just not fair. Come on Gooners lets stick by him a little longer.

Guns-out,

Submitted by Sid from THE ARMOURY

 

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18 Comments

  1. a

    May 24, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    if he gets at least 3 pro players then he should stay but if not sack the fucker cause it will be the same shit as the past 6 years.im sick of watching my team finish 4th every year

  2. realistic tony

    May 24, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Well-written balkanced and persuasive article. I dont agree, however, i hink a new manager would sweep clean the club a lot more efficiently. Wenger will still be stuck in his ways, and absurdly loyal to his mediocre squad players. Change can be painful, usually, unless you have kenny dalgleish taking over!
    The szeczney situation was brought about by injury to fabianski and not to wenger’s astute timing to play him. I recall Szczney’s unrest a few months prior to his selection when the lad could see he could do no worse than the other 2 keepers and wenger was stalling his progress.If wenger has any sense left he will certainly bring in leaders on the pitch as this is where he, personally, doesnt deliver. He is not a motivator, therefore he needs BIG characters on the pitch and in the dressing room to put the spirit and fight into the top- quality, technically -gifted players we have. In other words, real mental strength, something he regularly mentions but what appears to be as elusive as his cheque book!

    • Mick

      May 24, 2011 at 3:59 pm

      How on earth do you know what plans Wenger had for the NO 1 goalkeeping slot? If injuries had not forced his hand how do you know that Szeczney would not have been promoted above Fabianski. Or do you have a crystal ball. You armchair ‘know it alls’ really annoy me.

  3. Nick TG

    May 24, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    as a very disappointed gooner who could not wait for the season to end i want to give AW 1 last season. AW is a legend who built the club up from a decent club in a shit league when he took over to a very good club in the best league in the world. We now have an amazing stadium, super youth teams, play attractive footy,and are ranked in top 8seeds in europe (what was our ranking before him?doubt even top 30…).That said he must spend. The philosophy and kids are great but there is some shit in there too.He replaced gallas and Sol with Squillaci and konscielny…they r not good enough! we must buy a CB (in order of pref:1.Huth,2.Subotic/Hummels,3.Samba,4.Howedes,5.Cahill).We also need another DM (Parker or Mascerano in a Cesc deal pls…).If cesc goes buy hazard or Kaka!Keeper def sell almunia but i am not sure whether we need to buy or give Szeny a chance…striker (this has been a big problem -Utd had 3 strikers to rotate changing whoever not on form-we have 1 legend and rest average)-so sell Bendtner+Vela,and buy Falcao.sell Deno,rosicky+eboue too!AW great father figure and gets us playing beautiful way but poor tactically (see record in finals…).He needs some help perhaps…also think Steve Bould sld join his team to help defence…

  4. willybilly

    May 24, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    and you think that new manager would play the arsenal way 2nd only to barca? all you ignorant anti wengers will rue the day you caused the greatest era this club has ever seen to end. let me ask you so called gooners a question, would you prefer mourinho to come in spend all our cash win something then leave after 2 years? what is the woth in that? BTW its funny how madrid wanted wenger instead of mourinho.seems the only ones who appreciate the great man are foriegn club. you spoilt brat gooners dont deserve such a great manager or such a progessive style of play LOVE WENGER LOVE ARSENAL

    • Mick

      May 24, 2011 at 7:22 pm

      Well said, a sensible poster amongst all the negative dross. Maybe all those idiots would rather have Alerdyce or Curbishley, thats all they deserve.

  5. Leo

    May 24, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    I’m thinking maybe a change in coaching staff or management could galvanize his thinking, i.e David Dein. In the days David Dein was still at Arsenal the team had a stronger spine with better defenders and strong, physical midfielders who didn’t score plenty of goals but were ruthless tacklers who broke down opposition attacks and started our own counter attacks. Players like Ray Parlour, Emanuel Petit, Patrick Viera etc. Why has he gone away from these types of players? Maybe Steve Bould or Tony Adams should take over from Pat Rice. Guys who call a ‘spade’ a ‘spade’. But then again, Wenger might be to stubbourn to listen to reason and maybe thats the reason why he should be sacked. Anyway, lets hope for the best whatever happens.

  6. jaapie10

    May 24, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    in

  7. ben

    May 24, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    just freaking spend the money on position that are weak is enuf. . .
    ask le boss not to be damn stingy about few millions pound and we can win next season

    • Leo

      May 24, 2011 at 4:24 pm

      Yes bud. I think we should start budgeting for a lot of prozac for when the new season starts! They will NOT spend unless somebody special like David Dein convinces Wenger otherwise.

  8. Bob

    May 24, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Sorry guys, Wenger has had his day. He was the right man for Arsenal 15 years ago, but the game is very different now and he isn’t able or willing to adapt. What’s the point of allowing him another year? It isn’t as if it’s a free experiment, our season tickets are already the most expensive in world football and are going up 6.5%.

  9. Aussie Jack

    May 24, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Yip…he stays and he`ll suceed.

    Shouldn`t that read “because of it`s defensive `inability`”?

  10. eve

    May 24, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    well im so glad the jury has finaly made a decision on our manager, and that you have alowed him to stay, i think you should all be ashamed even contimplating getting rid of our wonderful,brilliant manager. because if he had gone, all those judases would of suffered as would the loyals as arsenal fall down the league under a new manager that doesn’t give a toss about our beautiful club.

  11. get over it

    May 24, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    sick of watching your team finish 4th every season? oh please go support chelsea then.

    i’m sick of fairweather fans who get FURIOUS about our club being in a position that, in terms of success, only clubs who have racked up completely insane amounts of debt have been able to surpass.

    we are clearing our debts while every other big club are spending stupid money and are a long long way from breaking even.

    in 10 years time, we’ll be the only club who can actually invest its profits. i’m happy with champions league quarter finals and 4th place finishes in the meantime, very few clubs have such luxuries. be grateful…or go support a club who effectively cheats their way to success.

    are man u fans happy? no, they hate their financial position and think (correctly) that their club is being sucked dry. are chelsea fans happy? no, they were happy to see mourinho go because he drew a few games and now they wish he never left – and if he came back, he’d be out after a few draws again. real madrid and barcelona have the biggest cheats the game has ever seen, man city are the next chelsea and spurs and liverpool have spent twice as much as us and are in worse positions.

    arsenal is the best damn club in the world, any other club would sign wenger in a heartbeat and if you don’t like us, please go elsewhere.

  12. true gooner

    May 25, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Just bring back Dein…….
    You can trace this mess all the way back to Dein being thrown to wolves.

    Would also like to see the fans reunited and find the common ground that links all us gooners together the only thing that has upset me more the failing of the team in the last 3 months is the hatered that is surfacing boarding on civil war. Never have I witnessed fellow fans berating each other. It says alot about the state of the club when you think that not only are the fans having a go at each other but the board is now well and truely divided. We have payers who want out, a manager who is getting increasingly angry and erratic and a captain who would rather be some where else. Given the circamstnces 4th and no trophies is perhaps all we deserve. Things in life (what ever you do) only work when everything involved/concerned is pulling together and at the moment everything is being pulled in a million directions. Normally its the fans that get the team through things when the going is difficult. How on earth can we do that when the fans are busy slagging one another even during matches.
    All this leaves quite a nasty taste and a little ashamed. I will alway be proud to be a gooner but it wont hide the dissapointment or take away the taste.

  13. Stevie

    May 26, 2011 at 2:12 am

    Wenger or Arsenal needs to groom a successor, hand over and then let go. Arsenal will not win anything with Wenger anymore. Arsene has done his job. He can’t bring the team any further. He has become soft. The problem with us gooners is that we have become soft as well. A bit harsh, but true.

  14. DD in LA

    June 5, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    AW has become Rafa, early success years of nothing. He couldn even pull us out of a post carlimg cup funk that gave us the SAME form as WEST HAM! So why are we even having this conversation? Hes done the players dont beleive in him.

    Its so completely obvious that he has lost his edge and yet people contimue to make excuses.

    New managers breath life into squads all the
    time. Look how Rafa was destroying Inter untill Leonardo rescues them. Look at Dalglish at Liverpool — in neither case were their big signings of “saviour players”. Just a fresh start so what the heck are we all afraid of?

    Next season will be worse because the man cant admit hes wrong. Produce one statement from AW evidencing a fundamental change or new direction?

    Next: we drop out of top four by christmas.

    Why do we give Wenger so much rope to hang the club? Hes not a god. 15 years is enough!

    Ita only 20 percent abouth signing this player or that

  15. DD in LA

    June 5, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    And finally the reason Nasri ia even considering leaving is because Asinine has lost the changing room.

    They know what all you apologists dont — hes done, finished and they dont want to be part of the next three seasons to the end of AWs contract of losing on their resumes.

    Google Adeasholebayors comments about how SpecialOne motivates a team to win. Very revealing. Wenger cant motivate a win against Leyton Orient.

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