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Would Europa Be So Bad? Gooners Need To Face Some Hard Facts….

As Gooners it’s high time we face facts. We are no longer a team which fights for the title, it was an elephant in the room for most of last season and the last few months of the season simply reinforced that.

I am not being overly negative, but it is simple fact. We for various reasons WONT’ buy or rather pay “over the odds” for players according to the manager. So, to cut a long story short, what this means is that in an overly inflated transfer market where mediocre players at best are going for ridiculous prices (except if we are selling of course) we will have to stick with our youngsters and hope that they step up.

Now at this point many of you will begin chants of “Wenger out”, and my response to that would be — then what ? Thats the hard bit, a change will not automatically mean trophies. Chelsea with Torres (4 Gervinho’s and 1 Koscielny in terms of transfer fees) had to struggle to beat a West Brom side, which if I may add is worth less than what City is willing to pay us for Nasri. Last year Chelsea spent 50 million on Torres, and God knows how much more. And after all that, all that spending can you spot a difference between their and our trophy cabinet for the 2010-2011 season?

Liverpool had only a couple of shots on target (before the red card) against our defense which comprised of two teenagers making their debuts and our right back playing at left back. Moreover, this make-shift back 4 was aided by another youngster playing as CDM and making his debut. So to put this in persepctive – After spending over £100 last year did they score 2 against us, that too both goals coming when we were 1 man down.

If Wenger were to leave there is no guarantee that we would be any better off, but without his talent at bringing forth young talent we might as well be a Bolton Wanderers.

In my opinion the only light in the tunnel is that after the financial fair play rules come into practice next year and depending on how well Blatter and his Fifa implement them we might have a fighting chance. Personally, I have a feeling that Wenger is simply trying to weather the storm before these rules come into play.

Now getting back to the title of the article, we have to face the fact that we will go nowhere in the champions league. At most, I can see us reaching the quarter finals, that too with the aid of lenient fixtures. However, the Europa league is a completely another story. It is a trophy we can realistically challenge for and it would give us the opportunity to rebuild some confidence after the initial shock of being forced into the Europa league is over of course.

For example, the FC Barcelona of the Euro league would be a team like Udinese and we’ve shown we can beat them with a ‘bare-bones’ team, well over one leg at least. And if we were to somehow actually win the Europa league, it would surely be a turning point just as Liverpool seemingly bounced back from the brink of becoming a Newcastle or God forbid a Leeds United.

Yes, the champions league has its advantages and more so compared to the Europa League. I picked this up from Wikipedia, to make a quick comparison.

For reaching the group stage of the Champions League, UEFA awards €3.9 million, plus €550,000 per group match played. A win in the group is awarded €800,000 and a draw is worth €400,000.

A group stage participation in the Europa League nets €640,000, with a €60,000 bonus per group match played. In addition, a victory in the group pays €140,000 and a draw €70,000.

UEFA pays teams reaching the first knockout round €3 million, each quarter finalist €3.3 million, €4.2 million for each semi-finalist, €5.6 million for the runners-up and €9 million for the winners.

Reaching the knock-out matches triggers additional bonuses: €200,000 for the round of 32, €300,000 for the round of 16, €400,000 for the quarterfinals and €700,000 for the semi-finals. The losing finalists receive €2 million and the champions get €3 million.

In comparison, any team that reaches the UEFA Champions’ League group stage will be paid €3.9 million.

Ideally we SHOULD never be in this situation and I would much rather we play Champions league football this year. But as Wenger said, it’s not all “doom and gloom” if we were to lose tonight.

Sure, it would mean we don’t see Arsenal in the league of Europe’s Elite, but everything does happen for a reason. Well, atleast lets hope it does.

Submitted by Sid the Sloth from Armoury Square




  1. Naz

    August 24, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    We are 1-0 up, no away goal conceded, players returning and most crucially, the game has not even kicked off.

    Its a tough time at the Arsenal, and despite Wengers shortcomings, he, along with the starting 11, is what we have. Those players are the ones here, willing and wanting to represent us. We already have the media on our backs, lets rally round and support them. This is when they most need support. Many fans say they are a Gooner through thick and thin…apparently not.

    nb. I am not a member of the Arsene Knows brigade.

    • Dan

      August 24, 2011 at 6:19 pm

      Very well said indeed naz

  2. Dan AKA The Truth

    August 24, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Well it’s not just signings where Wenger the Coward is failing us… his tactics are naive and his ability to change a game is virtually non-existent! I would prefer us playing RvP and Walcott up front than for us to spend money on a new striker.

    I would fancy our chances more if that clueless, deluded, old fool was banned for this match tonight!


    • Ganeesha

      August 24, 2011 at 3:00 pm

      The Truth – I am sure you’d make a fantastic manager because you clearly have direct access to The Truth.
      Incredibly pathetic, narcissistic nonsense. A sever case of God-complex.
      Go play with your toys now.

      • Dan AKA The Truth

        August 24, 2011 at 4:40 pm

        You’re too kind, Ganeesha.

        You’ll remember me when Arsenal finish mid-table due to Wenger’s ineptitude this year.

  3. Enfield Gooner

    August 24, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    To all Arsenal fans – please ignore the media and the witch hunt againt Arsene and Arsenal as a whole!

    We have sold two great players, yes BUT they wanted to go and it was not Arsenal forcing them out. There was nothing we could do so please forget it, this happens and financially it had to be done.
    Whatever happens we will improve given the injuries we have but we HAVE to ignore the media and the negativity towards our team – please be united as fans and not acts as petulant children!

    So far a lot of deadwood has been sold and Arsene is an intelligent man, he will buy the correct players. Players like Frimpong and Szczesny are really looking promising for the future as Wilshere already is.

    Everyone should support their team through thick and thin and the fact that Real Madrid are possibly looking to Arsene Wenger shows that they value him and so should we !
    Ask yourself why Madrid does not go after Redknapp etc and see what we have. We have been unfortunate with injuries and red cards but luck will come our way and you will soon forget this and probably deny you wanted Arsene to leave!
    Lastly if it was not for Arsene we would not have the Emirates stadium which is going to guarantee our future for generations to come – and of course the Invincibles!
    The last thing I am proud of lately is that this Arsenal team I see playing has fighting spirit and without jinxing it, a defence. Who would believe that last year? With this attitude we WILL win things with great young players and Arsene in charge.

    • Moe

      August 24, 2011 at 6:24 pm

      Good article, I agree that the Europa league may not mean the end for Arsenal in terms of lost revenue and a realistic chance of winning an albeit lesser trophy. But, it will dent morale and confidence further, especially to the ambitions of our stars RVP, TV etc. who will feel that the club have taken a significant step back. Then you have to take into account Arsenal’s attractiveness to major players coming in.

      As for Arsenal not forcing Nasri and Fabregas out, that is only partially true. Yes, Nasri wanted to double his salary and there was no way Arsenal could match City for that. Yes, Barca was Cesc’s boyhood club and home.

      But, if Arsene and the Board properly strengthened the team in the last few seasons, rather than religiously promoting the youth project, our main stars may, and I stress “may”, have thought twice about leaving.

      I think the real reason that Arsenal are starting to lose players is really because our players do, to some degree, feel less likely of finding real success at Arsenal. If so many fans can’t see the light at the end of the tunnel, how can we expect our players to?

      To sum, I think if Arsenal add quality to the squad year in year out, to improve our depth, to splash cash dare I say it, for the sake of signaling ambition to the world, to the club, to our players and the fans. To announce that Arsenal is a force to be reckoned with. That would help our existing to realize the potential for success is real and not imagined.

      As for this season, without a break on the injury front and the addition of a true creative midfielder, and some quality depth at many positions, our squad will be hard pressed to win any honors this term.

      Just look at our hated rivals Totty, we used to have Nasri and Cesc to counter Modric and Van de Vaart. What do we have now in the creative department? Rosicky and Arshavin? So sad to see Nasri was our brightest player in the Pool defeat too…

      Enough doom and gloom, I hope Arsenal beats Udinese tonight but I am not holding my breath…

      As far incoming signings, I really think we will not be getting anyone exciting, probably someone on the cheap, surplus to requirements bench warmer from somewhere as major teams do not give up star players so close to the transfer window closing, unless for silly money and we all know Arsene does not do silly money transfers nor should he.

      I would not even be surprised if no one came in as Arsene stated in an article that he always preferred to promote from within!

  4. Alex

    August 24, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    To be honest, if Arsenal can finish in the top 4 and snag a trophy this season I would be happy. Considering the poor start to the season, i’d be over the moon with top 3 and the FA cup.

    Personally, if we were to come 3rd in the champions league group stage (providing we qualify) i wouldnt be fussed if Arsenal played the Europa League AS LONG as they try to win it!

  5. Anon

    August 24, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Europa league means thursday night matches…. then saturday/sunday/ monday prem matches

    It would take to much out of our premier league campaign and make injuries and fatigue more likely

    europa league is not worth it

  6. hussein shombi

    August 24, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    hoooooraaay arsenal 4life .. aw shud buy some 3more players if he want 2turn the team around we r not done yet mau u is comin if aw will nat be serious we r goin be ashamed by da devil. Ramadhan karim to samir nasri by da way r u fasting bro ok anyway byebyeeeee

  7. ruffneck

    August 24, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    All good comments. I may add that both players are very talented but neither have shown the mental toughness to deliver a trophy. They were both given the oppurtunity to start when healthy but chose to be role players. Just look at Hleb and Flamini. The thiing about Man U is that they have players that are mentally strong and fight to the end. We need new players who want to win trophies not come up with execuses about why they are leaving. How dare Nasri claim that he is leaving because city fans are more passionate. I guess money is the root of all evil since he had to lie to justify his move. Why not just say a football career is short and I want to maximize my earnings. And even Fab, I need daily motivation so I went to Barcelona. You need to prey that other guys get hurt or you won’t play Fab. I hope you enjoy that Hleb did. Who goes to be a rotational player when he can lead a side to trophies. Again my point is these guys are not leaders. My only regret is that Arsene did not sell earlier.

  8. naren

    August 24, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    well said
    f…………………off …………all so called fans
    l’pool could not even try for a shot until we were reduced to 10men after spending all the bloody money on players and foul mouthed manager.bear in mind the fact that we played with all the youngsters in the team.all fanssssssssssssssssss…………………have you noticed how well our young defenders did until that unfortunate goal came upon us.come onnnnnnn guysssssssssssssssss we have a great team but needs few additions.remember how Manunited did early days of the last season

  9. Willo

    August 25, 2011 at 7:24 am

    2-1 to the lads. Lol. You worked all that out for nothing. Grow a spine and start believing.

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