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Tactically Inept Wenger Has Ruined Chamakh, Arshavin, Eboue, Bendtner & Denilson

Correct  … your eyes have not deceived you. We again read that Arsenal will offload the underperforming Marouane Chamakh in the next transfer window.  He is another of Wenger’s disappointing buys. OK in the end he got him on a free but he had tried to pay good money for him before that.  He started well in his first few months at Arsenal, led the line, scored goals, headed goals – which was unheard of at The Arsenal.  Then he went right off and has stayed right off.

Perhaps it would have helped just a little bit if he had played – instead of being stuck on the bench or brought on for a quick 20 minutes when all else had failed ?  But if one recalls …. RVP was injured for much of Chamakh’s early months so he got game time and rose to the occasion very well.  Plus he looked like someone out of a Marseille knife gang which made a nice change.

What happened next ?  Chamakh was injured for a while. Then RVP became fit to play and there was only room for one – isolated on his own down the middle. So it was …cheers  Marouane, see you  some time.  No game time means no form which means no confidence. And can Wenger be flexible enough to move the formation around to accommodate ?   In a word  … NO.

This is a recurring theme. Wenger fixes on one formation – no significant tactical changes – and you fit into that somewhere or otherwise ….  tough. He has this obsession about … if you are a good technical player (which they mostly are) you can play anywhere. That’s one reason why we have not had a decent defence for some years.  Too many defenders (eg. Clichy)  have been in because they are skilful footballers NOT because they are special at keeping the ball out of our net.

Take Eboue, we all remember the poor xxx being booed off. I always thought that was at least in part a protest at Wenger’s style of football. But in so far as  it was anti Eboue … he never asked to be converted from a full back to a wide midfielder. He was filled with doubt all along. Now he has gone – and hey … he was the best diver we had (!)

Take Bendtner,  yes he was a fool to vow he would be the world’s best and etc. But how much form and confidence could he retain … warming the bench before the last 15 minutes on the wing ?  He is a central striker, a target man.  If you are good, you can play anywhere ?  Utter rubbish.

Take Denilson, he ended up one the least popular Arsenal players.  He never asked to be converted to defensive midfield … for which he so was obviously unsuited. You don’t captain Brazil under 19s if you are useless but he was a more advanced type midfielder who also used to score goals. We had enough advanced midfielders … so you’d better protect the back four (sometimes.)  If you are technically good (which he is) you can play anywhere. What a lot of tripe.

Take Arshavin, a previously brilliant star of Russian football. That was when he had a role which suited him, making goals, scoring goals in tandem with another forward. He was the man. He too started off well at Arsenal, scoring loads, still in great form.  Then Chamakh got injured as well as RVP and so, for several weeks, Arshavin had to play as a lone target man up front. Again, there was no attempt by Le Professeur to adapt the system according to who we had available.  We have also heard Andrei was depressed after Russia failed to qualify for the World Cup. This may be true, I don’t know. What I do know is he has probably been more depressed by having to play – out of position – wide left. It isn’t Arshavin. He tries to track back but doesn’t know what he is doing defensively and gets few opportunities in central positions … where he made his name.  If you are really good, you can play anywhere ?  What unadulterated garbage.

42 Comments

42 Comments

  1. azaama

    October 18, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    I fully agree with you!

    • demongooner

      October 18, 2011 at 5:15 pm

      not surprised you look A right dip stick

  2. Dave

    October 18, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Again, I totally agree with you.

    All of those players could have delivered a whole lot more if they were played in their right positions and didn’t have their confidence shattered by Wenger.

    Arshavin behind RVP down the middle could be lethal. We’ll never see it though since our tactically brilliant manager is obsessed with playing him as a left-winger which he will never be in a month of Sundays.

    Song, Frimpong (or Wilshere) with Arshavin above them at the top of the diamond. Lovely. That would both keep things tight and offer us a real threat up front. Will we ever see it, no chance.

  3. Tim

    October 18, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    This is exactly what I have been saying. Most of our players are really good players but they all suffer from Wenger’s style. Wenger never create a style based on players’ ability but he adapt players based on his One and ONLY style of play.

    How can players be great from teams they played before they joined and do so well when they first arrive …. then after being TAUGHT by Wenger the best way, they suddenly become rubbish?!?!?!? I fail to understand this. Arshavin is certainly a great player. Eboue was really distroyed (even Walcot is being destroyed).

    Just because Henry started and did well as a winger doesn’t mean Walcot should and must…. This is sad…

  4. Northbanksy

    October 18, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    What about poor old Theo. Been at the club 6 years & 6 years played out of position..

    • demongooner

      October 18, 2011 at 5:17 pm

      walcot came to arsenal from southampton as a winger how is he played out of position?it wenger who said he could be a striker

  5. gooner

    October 18, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    i agree with you… add a name to that list theo walcott…he is no winger.he has no tricks. just cos he has pace wenger plays him put on right. his finishing has really improved lately so why not play him with RVP in center. but wenger will never listen.
    p.s he will distroy park too by not giving him games….

  6. Gunnersa

    October 18, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Nonsense! A footballer worth his wages should be able to adapt to the needs of the club! When in Rome, do as the Romans do! Everybody errs eg. SAF with Obertan, Bebe, et al! As far as Chamakh is concerned, while at Bordeaux,I knew he would not make it.I knew he was a good header of the ball,and that is all he could do. Theo will not make it either AOC will contribute in one year what Theo has tried in the last 6 years! It’s simple, some people are just born with certain talents that others can just dream about and aspire towards! Maybe Chamakh will become a very good accountant one day! Will you also say that Liverpool messed up Shaun Dundee’s career, Liverpool’s worst signing ever?

  7. andrew

    October 18, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    i agree!!
    wenger has been doing this for years i am surpised no one complains, nasri should have played along side fab down the middle like wilshere was but wenger decided to play on the wing rather than buying a left footed winger idiot!!!!!!!!

  8. Thorough

    October 18, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    @Gunnersa. I am going to mention great players and show you how they would have become worthless and poor if they had the misfortune of passing through Wenger’s all-knowing, school of football. 1. Luka Modric – put him on the left wing of attack and see if he will do better than Arshavin. 2. Paul Scholes – Put him in defensive midfield and see how many poor tackles he will concede invariably leading to penalties and cards. Every sane coach tries to work on the strength of a player to improve them, Wenger does the opposite. Denilson was an eyesore in Arsenal but prior to that he was one of the best shooters of the ball in Brazilian league, a la what he did against Everton some years back. And the trend is continuing. I feel like weeping when Song goes upfield and gives a terrible pass in the opponents when we all know what he does best is to break up play and mop up pressure on the defense. Meanwhile, Arteta keeps sitting deep when he should be the one doing the major job in the opponents half. If we cant buy Gourcuff let Arshavin and/or Rosicky n Arteta share the playmaking burden while Song concentrates solely on defensive forays barring occasional overlaps.

  9. jax gunner

    October 18, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    I agree about Eboue being our best diver but nothing else

  10. cathy

    October 18, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    come on players should be able to adapt to play where asked,just like in normal life.nasri said he was best in the middle well when he played there didnt realy see anything special,was that mr wenger’s fault?

  11. Eddie

    October 18, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Its somehow absurd to label the only coach to have gone a whole season unbeaten, tactically inept!

  12. Redrooter

    October 18, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Yes! He should have played Arshavin down the middle, Chamahk down the middle, Bendtner down the middle, Walcott down the middle, Park down the middle and van Persie down the middle. He should have played Nasri in the middle, Denilson in the middle with Fabregas and Wilshere in the middle in front of Song and Frimpong in the middle. I would say the obvious but my Mum told me not to make fun of people who are a bit simple.

  13. UMOH EKWO

    October 18, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    I totally agree. That is why any team in the world can beat Arsenal because their style of play is very predictable. We have good players in the squad but the Boss will not play them. It’s just one pattern.What a coach!

  14. bob

    October 18, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    wenger out

    • gunner

      October 18, 2011 at 6:12 pm

      Agree with this too!

  15. Francis Angrey

    October 18, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    A player worth his salt should be able to play at any position for the overall good of the team. No player should complain of being played out of position. No position is permanent especially in a situation that everybody attacks and everybody defends(mass attack, mass defense).

    • gunner

      October 18, 2011 at 6:13 pm

      Havent heard anything more stupid than this in a long time! WHY DONT YOU ASK ALMUNIA TO PLAY AS A STRIKER THEN?

  16. Goonerbeall

    October 18, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    I see all the anti-Wenger brigade are out to discredit him. So, a man that inept managed to stick around for 15 years doing faff all?

    You need to get help mates. Your GPs can also refer you to therapists. Seriously!

    • gunner

      October 18, 2011 at 6:16 pm

      Actually it’s becos of wenger’s ineptness, he won nothing for 7 years. If you look at wenger nowadays, he’s the one who needs therapist and even psychologist.

  17. gee

    October 18, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Good footballers should be able to play multiple positions – look @ barca. The idea that a player is fixed to 1 position apart from a GK is kinda outdated. even holland were using total football (players interchanging positions and being comfortable) in the 1970’s!

    And henry was a winger that became our highest goal scorer thanks to wenger.

    All you guys in a rush to kick our most sucessfull manager in our history in the teeth – shame on all of you!!

    If anyone deserves our support based on the success he has brought to Arsenal its him – but youguys join the rest of our rivals and kick a man when he down – Cowards!! esp the author of this BS.

  18. gee

    October 18, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    What i find hilarious is everyone got an opinion and can do better than wenger.,

    Thats like me telling Vitalli klitchko or david haye how to box from an arm chair and seriously thinking i can drop any of them easily.

    For a start try managing a succesful amature team, then maybe you might have a tiny idea of what it takes. but im guessing most of you have won the lg on world class mode a few times in fifa so yall experts!!

  19. Fares

    October 18, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Some coaches/ managers in any level or sport are very rigid and dont adapt to changes.
    Not just in sports, in many careers, Sr. Level staff with loads of experience, usually have hard time adapting to changes. Its gets them out of the comfort zone. In many jobs, you see the shift toward using young leaders, because they can adapt. Jose, VB, Mancini, Pepe, ..etc. Are making a name because they are willing to adapt.

    Arsene, needs to go up in the board room, and hire a young manager and let him run things, change things.

  20. TrueGooner

    October 18, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    I actually agree with this article and so many gunners I know. Arsenal are now known to be a talented but lazy team. Players needs to be played in their natural positions. Only a few players are able to fully adopt in multiple positions. Zidane would have never been a good defender or Winger. Maradona would have never been a good midfielder. Brazillian Ronaldo would have never been a good winger or midfielder. There is nothing wrong with trying a player in another position but you have to realize when it is not working for them. A player above 25 should not be made to play out of position unless there is injury and they are needed to to so for a particular game. Also the Fact the Wenger over plays certain players and not substitute them with others contribute to their injury and the teams poor form when that player get injured. Someone said they knew Chamake would have been worthless before we bought him, I say I knew he wasn’t a lone striker but a second striker that thrive of the main striker, that is why He is being wastes as a lone striker. He should be playing alongside RVP given his ability to hold the ball and good work ethics in tracking back. It will do him good and improve his confidence. Over playing RVP is not a good idea. Bendtner is is a better shooter on goal and not fast enough to be on the wings, so he should be that striker coming off the bench to give RVP a breather or starting in other less importing match. There is so much Wenger can do to boost the form of the squad then keeping them on the bench forever. Why is park not playing? Is he not fast or fit enough?

  21. Michael Staley

    October 18, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    All you people who know so much better than Wenger: ever thought of applying for his job, so that we can all benefit from your expertise?

  22. gee

    October 18, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Fares says: @ 3:19 pm on October 18, 2011

    so what your saying is all of a sudden he has become outdated.

    Whose idea was it to build a world class training facility that england,brazil, barca have used before big games – that have brought through a flood of exciting youngsters like wilshere, gibbs,afobe schezny etc- that helped nurture fab, clichy,theo, etc, whose idea was it to move to a 60,000 seater stadium that chelsea now want to build , that the spuds being trying to build that liverpool are having trouble building, who switched up player diets and came with new coachin methods that revoulutionised english football and gave our famous back four a new lease of life that they went on to win further titles. how much has he generated in the transfer market for the clubs finances.
    Who had the insight to buy OX chamb and fabregas in the 1st place, esp fab he was at best a fran merida and who had the insight to take a punt on him when he was 15!!

    Its peaple like you that show a lack of knowledge of our recent history and forget all the good wenger has done and focus on the bad cause god knows why- like i said you have not got the courage to support the greatest manager in our history and if you dont believe me do your research and tell me if we have had a more successful manager pls.

    Arsenal till i DIE!!!!

  23. gee

    October 18, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    “Zidane would have never been a good defender or Winger. Maradona would have never been a good midfielder”

    1st of zidane could play and has played any where along the midfield and behind the striker, Maradonna was a attacking midfield playmaker

    really shows your football knowledge there. and a player like flamini could play defensive mid, right back, right mid and centre mid so no you dont have to be zidane or maradonna to play different positions. look at james milner. Man who actually told you that a player must stick to 1 position? do you actually play for a team?

  24. TrueGooner

    October 18, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Gee and Michael, You are missing the point. No one is saying he is outdated. We are saying that he apply the same logic to every situation and players and doesn’t change tactics. You can not tell me that you solve all the problems and deal with everybody in your life by applying the same logic. You have to adopt and change. Big corporation do the same to stay on top of competition. We would have lost drew that game on Sunday if RVP hadn’t been lucky to get that free-kick in. We all know he’s been missing them lately. All we are saying is if a player is cating hell playing out of position try him in his natural position and see what he does. If he can’t make it still then he needs to be sold.

  25. paul joba

    October 18, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    arsen wenger use to be good befor but unfortunately he just change pls is there no body to advice him.

  26. gee

    October 18, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    TrueGooner says:

    Ask yourself this – when chesea came on the scene do you think that we could have competed staying @ highbury?

    That is insight and moving to emirates is adopting to change. Buying youngsters instead of competing with mega rich owners is insight and adopting to change. inproving our traing facilities is insightful and adopting to change. Losing your best player evry yr and still been able to compete is adopting to change. and pls spare me the ifs but and maybe cause i can do the same – if arshavin mazy run and finish was an inch toward the goal we would not have needed van persie free kick, and if others would have took their chances it could have been a different game.

    I see you dishing out pearls of wisdom like zidane cant play on the wings when he did for real and maradonna is not a midfielder when clearly he was, then you exepct me to listen to you tell me what the most successful manager in our history should do!!

    Dont you think you sound a little bit naive?

    no offence intended but im really fed up with the negative and quick to kick wenger in the nuts attitude prevailing arsenal blog land. Make us look like spoilt brats. all the name calling and insults cause we have not won a trophy in 6 yrs, look @ newcastle, they got relegated and still sung for the team!

    • TrueGooner

      October 18, 2011 at 5:35 pm

      Gee,
      I still think you don’t get it. First off the change I am referring to is on field change and player management. I am not criticizing him and his past achievement. I am only saying he sometimes needs to make these on field changes. He is hired to give results on the field and not off it. Yes we are happy for his contribution and I do like the men, but that doesn’t mean the obvious should be ignore. The owners of the club should be the ones responsible for building the stadiums and having world class medical facility. They shouldn’t have to wait for him to tell them. I do applaud him for his vision, but he needs to apply that same vision on the pitch. You mentioned buying players, but i never said he doesn’t know how to buy players. In fact the article said he buys good and talented players, but the problem is he often tend to play all of them out of positions which is true. He also often buys similar players. this is also true.
      Now on to my “pearl of wisdom”. Zidane was a number 10 at real and Juventus as well as France, not a winger and he did not play as a winger for them. Zidane found success as a midfield mastro my friend not a winger. On Maradona I will say yes, he could play in the midfield but more as an attacker. He had exceptional talent, that is why he played the attacking midfield/center forward role he was good on the ball a brilliant dribbler making him more suitable for that attacking role which is what a striker does. He talent allow him to play as an attacking midfield, and not a culture midfielder responsible for distributing the ball. That is the difference. He wore the number ten shirt but he is better at making things happen with the ball at his feet in and around the 18. Kinda like Messi. taking Messi and putting in a more midfield role like xavi is useless because he is a goal scorer. A striker role will suite him with the ability to roam because of his dribbling skill which allows him to also play behind the striker, but he is not an out and out midfield just like maradona is not an out and out midfielder even though he can play there. that is what I was referring to in my previous post. Take Julio Baptista who started as a defender at Sevilla but the coach saw that he had an eye for goal so he took him from his defensive duty and made him a striker which lead him to become their leading goal scorer and was very successful in the attacking role. This is what I am talking about. Play a player where you will get the best out of him. Don’t play him out of position for 3 to 4 years and think it will work in the 5th or 6th years. If it’s not working then try grooming him for his natural positions. We are not critizing the act but the failure to realize it aint working, just how certain formation doesn’t work against certain team due to lack of personalities

  27. demongooner

    October 18, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    some real tossers support arsenal lol

  28. Ultgooner

    October 18, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Ok I have to say the author of this write up, and it’s supporters are half brained!…analyzing from one side instead of looking at the whole. Players are given their chance and it is left for them to take it or lose it!…every player u listed up there had their chance but they did not live up to it. I will give u two examples of taking your chances, and spluttering. We all love jack wilshere, jack was given a chance last season, he grabbed it and even when diary came back from injury he couldn’t push jack outta the first team. Now jack is injured, and who has been brought on to take his place?…aaron ramsey. So far aaron has been given chance after chance and hasnt lived up to expectations yet, now when jack comes back and reclaims his spot while relegating ramsey to the bench, u mugs will complain about how wenger nevered played him or played him out of position. U must understand that wenger tries to play this players in different positions that way they will have a better chance of making the first eleven. We play arshavin and bendtner in the wings because we play one striker up front and we have an amazing striker in van persie, and unless he is injured he will not lose his place any time soon. Ebuoe was played in midfield because we had a better replacement in sagna, ebuoe will never have gotten into the team if he wasn’t versatile. So stfu if don’t know what da heck u talking about cos u all sound like a bunch of ass

    • TrueGooner

      October 18, 2011 at 5:52 pm

      The question to you is, should it be like that though? Should a player who doesn’t have the ability to adopt to another position for the long term be forced to play their if it’s not just working even if it’s at the detriment of the team? Should Jack, RVP, and Cesc or even Nasri talent level and ability level be compare to the rest of the squad? Isn’t a team in every organizations built with individual with different abilities to play different roles, and the most talented occupying more advance role. By your logic RVP, and Jack should be used in the defense and the defender should be played upfront since every player should be able to play anywhere on the pitch or better yet Arsenal needs to get rid of their whole reserve and youth since majority of them couldn’t make the first as early as Jack did. They are not good enough because they were given the same chance that Jack was given. Sometimes is better to see what a person is arguing about instead of taking every comment a fan makes about his or her observations an anti arsenal comments. The article is more about playing a player in their natural position then given them a chance. Playing a player in another position they are not use to is not giving a player a chance. If the player is surplus to requirement then sell them and buy what we need. I still love Wenger though. Yes I agree Ramsey is not Jack, but give him a break he was better before his injury, but after his come back he’s been struggling but has had some good game.

  29. jack

    October 18, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    you,my friend,are the biggest dud i’ve seen in a long time.there will always be people like you who will complain and whine. so,go on.nasri is still playing as a winger at man city.that makes mancini stupid too.there is no point in me discussing these things because the writer is the one who is stupid.

  30. nicky

    October 18, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Guys evry one has 2 say his views.but we shud understand d fact dat wenger has been coachin 4 over 20 yrs.he knows what it takes 2 build a player.luk at it dis ur teacher is tellin u hw best 2 run things and u just dont wanna 2 do it dat way.luk at henry and rvp they are winger converted 2 striker and they excel.2 me AW is still d right coach 4 Arsenal.GUNNERS TILL FADE

    • TrueGooner

      October 18, 2011 at 6:07 pm

      You are right and I would do the same with different players. He is right to try to convert them, but all we are saying is not every player will be able to make that switch like RVP and Henry. They are not your average player. They have very talented and skillful players so it worked for them. It might not work for the the next player. It shouldn’t take forever for him to realize that. At-least after three years of trying and it is not working then well it’s time to change

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