Arsenal End Interest In Over-priced Jagielka

By on July 22, 2010

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Written by Fab4.

Arsenal have pulled out of negotiations with Everton for Phil Jagielka after the Merseyside club rejected our latest £15m bid, according to the Metro.

Jagielka has been linked with a move to the Emirates this summer as Arsene Wenger looks for defensive reinforcements following the departures of William Gallas, Mikel Silvestre, Phillippe Senderos and potentially Sol Campbell. Laurent Koscielny has already been snapped up but Wenger is looking to add at least one more centre-back to his ranks.

It looks like it won’t be Jagielka though as Everton are pricing him out of a move by slapping a £20m price-tag on his head. And people wonder why Wenger doesn’t buy more English players!

I’m a fan of Jagielka but £20m….seriously? He is never worth that much and i can’t blame him if Arsene has called off his interest. If the FA want a reason why the top clubs aren’t signing  more English players, look no further. Until English players are valued by their talent and not their passport, clubs will continue to look abroad for better value for money.

There is now talk we may turn to Pape Diakhate of Dynamo Kiev, who is younger and available for half the price.

As always, take transfer rumours with a pinch of salt or they can become hazardous to your health!

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60 Comments

  1. Carlos18

    July 22, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Hardly overpriced for someone who is going to be a mainstay of the England squad for the next 4 years or more. That’s what you have to pay for proven talent.

    On the subject for overpriced, cesc can be worth no more than £10-12m, vastly over-rated player, give me Arteta any day of the week.

    • Fab4

      July 22, 2010 at 10:57 am

      Cesc £10-£!2m…over-rated……Very good Carlos18, you should consider a career in stand-up comedy.

      • Carlos18

        July 22, 2010 at 3:21 pm

        I think you’re the comedian if you think fabregas is one of the best players on the planet. Average at best.

        • Fab4

          July 22, 2010 at 3:23 pm

          Think we’ll leave it here Carlos, you clearly don’t have enough football knowledge to continue a sensible debate.

  2. BLUEANGEL

    July 22, 2010 at 10:27 am

    HE’S ALREADY AT A TOP CLUB , AND WHATS WRONG WITH CLUB,S TRYING TO KEEP THIER BEST PLAYER’S OR DO WE ALL BOW TO THE SKY FOUR.

    • Johnny

      July 22, 2010 at 11:25 am

      As a gooner, I quite agree with you that he`s `already at a top club blueangel. For my money Everton, along with The Arsenal, Manure and your neighbours are of the big 4 in terms of history and tradition, unfortunately for you however, your club has been stuck in a bit of a rut since sky took over. But lets be serious, 20 million for a geezer who was injured all last season and who will be 28 this year is obscene. If its a case of Everton wanting to keep hold of their top players, fair enough, just come out and say he`s not for sale, like we`ve done with cesc. As for carlos the clown, if you want people to take you serious, dont be comparing a player like Arteta, as good as he is, with a player like Fabregas, it just makes you sound stupid mate. Good luck to you guys next year though, I`ve always had a bit of a soft spot for the toffees.

  3. Brian

    July 22, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Quality players cost money and it could be said the same about the approach for your captain Cesc Fabregas! Or does that not have nothing to do with his passport? Double standards?

    • Fab4

      July 22, 2010 at 11:00 am

      Fabregas is one of the best players on the planet and at 23 will only get better, and if he was English he would be worth about £70m.

      Jagielka has had 1 good year at a decent side. If he was any other nationality he would be worth no more than £10m. Simple.

  4. El Tel

    July 22, 2010 at 10:33 am

    But he’s only half as good!!!

  5. Wayne

    July 22, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Dry your eyes.
    Everton don’t want or have to sell him, hence the high price. If you don’t want to pay it then find someone else. Simple really.

  6. Abhishek

    July 22, 2010 at 10:36 am

    i totally agree. english players are very overrated. the only reason why wenger went for jagielka in the first place was to fulfill the home grown criteria. if england need their players to play for top sides, they have to study this problem in depth. there are a lot of talented players but they dont get top class services.

  7. John Bennett

    July 22, 2010 at 10:42 am

    The problem is the 2 or 3 clubs who can & will pay ridiculous prices. As an Everton fan I was amazed that City went as high for Lescott as they did, but as David Moyes pointed out Lescott was worth more than Liverpool paid for Glen Johnson. There are various possible solutions such as salary caps, spending within turnover, limiting squad sizes but these require a radical aproach that is beyond the FA.

  8. Mogs

    July 22, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Stop moaning and maybe try signing some lower league players yourselves. Everton paid £4m for Jags and developed him in to a top class centreback. Wenger wants him becase the last 3/4 times he’s played against Arsenal, he hasn’t given their strikers a kick.

    • Ike

      July 22, 2010 at 11:06 am

      you mean for example when Arsenal beat Everton 4-1 at Goodison Park 2 seasons ago? … very funny!

      • Stefan

        July 22, 2010 at 11:19 am

        Very funny indeed, Jag was just getting in the squad at the time and he had very bad game but since then he developed nicely. Anyway you are not getting him.

        • Ike

          July 22, 2010 at 11:37 am

          I’m happy we’re not getting him. He’s a very good player but I don’t think he’s what we need now. Any ambitious club would want to keep their best players, so I understand Everton’s position.

  9. Randy

    July 22, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Or he was priced out of a move because David Moyes doesn’t want to lose his player! Not because he’s English!

  10. Paul

    July 22, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Fair enough comment re English talent, but how could Everton let him go for less? He is clearly a Top 5 centre back in the country, with the possibility of getting much better. He would also need a replacement, and maybe replacement with another English player given the rules coming in.

    That clubs like Arsenal, MU, Chelsea, and nowadays Man city, can throw money at anything – that is the scandalous point, not the Everton price tag. How can other clubs challenge at the top if the biggies just buy there bet players in. And you are complaining he is too expensive? Good on Everton for resisting another Rooney / Lescott money grab.

    And good look to Arsenal and Wenger for next year.

  11. john (everton fan)

    July 22, 2010 at 10:54 am

    it always amazes me when fans of the teams of the so called big 4(my arse) dont get players on the cheap its always someone elses fault. these teams should realise that were not here as feeder clubs for the likes of your arsenals and man utds as we want to keep our best players at all cost so if clubs like yourselves want the services of other teams best players there will always be a premium to pay. jags and everton must be doing something right for the nutty professor wenger to want to pay in excess of £15 milllion for him in the first place.

    • Fab4

      July 22, 2010 at 11:18 am

      Nobody is denying Jagielka is a very good player, but he’s not worth £20m. I fully understand Everton pricing him at that though, but it’s not just because you want to keep him, but as you did with Lescott, you know their is a premium to pay for English players so your taking advantage of it…understandably.

      Everyone knows English players are over-priced. Look at what we had to pay for Walcott, around £12m (including the add-ons) for a 17 year old who had done nothing. We got an established 22 year-old Nasri for that much. We only paid slightly more than that for Arshavin. We paid around £2m a piece for song and diaby when they were 17-18. English players ARE over-priced.

  12. Fab4

    July 22, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Oh dear, seem to have angered a few Evertonians here. That wasn’t the intention but some of you need to wake up.

    Lets not start to compare Everton and Arsenal, Cesc and Arteta, etc, it’s embarrassing.

    Jagielka is a good player, but never worth £20m. In a balanced market he is worth £10-£12m tops. But like some of the more intelligent of you pointed out….the big problem is clubs like City and Chavs who have pushed the prices of English talent through the roof.

    • Lurking Gun

      July 22, 2010 at 11:15 am

      Would also add that PJ is valued that highly at Everton in a similar vain to Cesc at Arsenal.. Cesc is worth 60m because he’s integral to the way Arsenal play. Same for Everton. Plus they’d have to replace him with someone of similar ability who admittedly would cost less but would require time to integrate with the team and the pattern of play.

      Anything is only as expensive as someone is prepared to pay… transfers have got silly over last couple of yrs because a few clubs are paying daft money which then becomes the guide for all players to and from all clubs. Wage and transfer caps need to come into place at some point… its sickening to see the amount of money being thrown around and, for me personally, is removing the game away from the normal working fans

    • Simon

      July 22, 2010 at 12:25 pm

      Sorry pal, Arteta is a lot closer to Cesc than you lot seem to realise, quite typical of Arsenal fans to be ignorant about players from other teams!

      Obviously Cesc is the better player but Arteta is not so far away from him that it’s “embarassing” to suggest, not by a long shot;

      • Fab4

        July 22, 2010 at 1:11 pm

        Ok mate, you have your own opinon on the matter. But i feel you may be in a vast minority who feels Arteta is ‘close’ to Fabregas.

        I like Arteta and wrote an article at the start of the summer saying if Fabregas left we could do a lot worse than look at him as a replacement. But he’s not proven it on the biggest stage, and doesn’t even make his national team squad. (something i feel is a massive mistake, but is still valid).

  13. CapnBAZ

    July 22, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Footballers are worth what the buying club are prepared to pay…
    We do not want to lose out best centre half, Jags is the rock around which the defence is built, we took him and have developed him into one of the best around, he consistently kept Torres quiet for the last 2 seasons, i will bet he is the 1st name on the Everton team sheet…
    That should now explain the requested fee…
    As for you rant at the FA, they are clueless and you also appear to be suggesting Everton are not a top side, you do remember last seasons home game where you scraped an undeserved draw, confirmed by the (didnt see that) Wenger, that also beat Chelsea, ManU and ManC all at home, so wind your stupid neck in and try building your own team instead of buying it….

    • Fab4

      July 22, 2010 at 11:05 am

      Exactly, and the buying club (Arsenal) will not pay the £20m, so therefore he is not worth that amount!

      Seriously?? We spanked you 6-1 at your ground!!! How can you even bring up the home draw you muppet!

      And you are now accusing Arsenal of ‘buying’ a team.Jeez, you should speak to some Gooners mate cos most of us think we have been doing too much developing and need to spend some cash.

      Fool

      • Stefan

        July 22, 2010 at 11:23 am

        Well at the time Everton had 5 key players injured and sulking Lescott and were deservedly trashed “The Toffees” picked their form around late December but yeah I also think that they outplayed Arsenal at Emirates

  14. Philippe

    July 22, 2010 at 10:58 am

    This is a great shame. It would have been a superb opportunity for Jagielka to play for a top club and not a mediochre one, and for Arsenal to get some much needed steel in their defence. But £20 million? No way is he worth that much! Don’t tell me its because Everton are ambitious – they are probably the most conservative club in the top ten – they are just out to cash in on the ‘English Players’ policy. Maybe thats their business plan – sod football, lets just screw the big clubs for as much as we can for English players.

    • Lurking Gun

      July 22, 2010 at 11:17 am

      Bit harsh… Everton have been constantly improving over the last few seasons. They had a bit of a problem when Lescott screwed them over on the last days of the window a couple of seasons ago but to say they’re mediocre is a bit strong

      • Stefan

        July 22, 2010 at 11:27 am

        It would have been a superb opportunity for Fabregas to play for a top club and not a mediocre one. But £50 million? No way is he worth that much! Don’t tell me its because Arsenal are ambitious – they are probably the most conservative club in the top 4 – they are just out to cash in on the ‘World Star Player’ policy. Maybe thats their business plan – sod football, lets just screw the big clubs for as much as we can for our players.

        The last BTW is the official Arsenal transfer policy for the last 6 years and I completely agree.

        • Fab4

          July 22, 2010 at 11:32 am

          Yeah, well said. I personally don’t have a problem with Everton’s price-tag….i understand it. You want to keep him and are taking advantage of the market conditions. Who wouldn’t.

          As an Arsenal fan i would like to see Jagielka at the club, but if Everton don’t want to sell and price him out of a move…fine. No problems. You Everton fasn dont need to get so defensive about it all. I wasn’t having a dig at your club, more the market for English players which i personally think is a real problem at the minute. And its become that way, not because of Arsenal (cos we have been skink for years) but cos of the Chavs and now City.

          • Stefan

            July 22, 2010 at 11:40 am

            I am not having a go at Arsenal either, I like your playing-style and Wengers youth policy but if you are skint compare that with us, for 3 year running our net spending will be zero and given that Moyes started with over aged – completely mediocre squad and turned it around into a good EPL team in the last 4-5 years you may see where is he coming from.

            As for the English market it has been overpriced for the last decade not for the moment

        • Lurking Gun

          July 22, 2010 at 11:43 am

          Cesc wasn’t for sale though… they was no ‘pay this and can have him’. He simply wasn’t going to go there.

          Think you’ve missed the point on Arsenal transfer policy.. can’t think of many players that have gone that AW wanted to keep. Additionally he’s managed to sell them at a huge profit while having replacements ready to fill in. You only have to look at the net transfer spend coupled with a consistent top 4 finish each season to see that. This on top of paying for a new stadium as well.

          And a mention of your mediocre comment.. do you really mean a club at number 8 of Fifa’s sub-body (The International Federation of Football History and Statistics) is mediocre!!

          Anyway, I expect Everton to do well this yr… a settled team that has some good players and has been steadly improving over the last few years.

          • Stefan

            July 22, 2010 at 11:56 am

            Well I just copy and pasted the comment of your fellow Gunner replacing Everton with Arsenal 🙂

            I dont think that Arsenal is mediocre but I dont think that Everton are either.

            • Fab4

              July 22, 2010 at 12:04 pm

              Everton certainly aren’t mediocre. They are a tough team to play against and have improved no-end under Moyes.

  15. Lior

    July 22, 2010 at 11:00 am

    If arsenal want good cheap English players, then they can develop them for themselves, or learn how to scout them before they are proven prem players. Unfortunately arsene doesn’t trust English players until they are proven, so he needs to either pay up, or find cheaper non English talent elsewhere, like he did with senderos( arsenal flop) or Cohan(another arsenal flop).Well it’s really great to see how much has changed…;)  Just like arsenal doesn’t need to sell fabregas unless the price suits them, why should everton be any different.

    • Fab4

      July 22, 2010 at 11:03 am

      Showing your ignorance a little here mate. Arsenal have a massive number of young English talent coming through. The majority of our youth teams are filled with English players. We have/are developing some great English talent, and you will see that in the coming years.

  16. wantefc

    July 22, 2010 at 11:03 am

    To be honest i agree with Fab4 though if he took his rose tinted glasses of he would see a large part of our squad compares with Arsenals….
    The inflated market is very much due to Chelsea and the Man Moss Side City scum…..
    In the real world Jagielka is worth £12m but the premier league isnt the real world…in fact with the above mentioned teams its becoming a joke..
    Interested to see what happens if City dont make top 4 again….would be funny when the arabs pull out

  17. Ike

    July 22, 2010 at 11:05 am

    @Mogs – “Wenger wants him becase the last 3/4 times he’s played against Arsenal, he hasn’t given their strikers a kick” …

    you mean for example when Arsenal beat Everton 4-1 at Goodison Park 2 seasons ago? … very funny!

  18. Peoples Blog

    July 22, 2010 at 11:05 am

    This is actually great evidence that English Football does have quality home grown talent and its also evidence that investing in talent will provide a ROI.

    As for the valuation, that’s what Moyes thinks it will cost to replace him – so that’s the price. Lets see what £10-12m gets Wenger and compare the two this time next year.

  19. James (Everton)

    July 22, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Arsenal, and Arsene, may not think it is worth spending £20m on Jagielka (and they may be right), but that doesn’t automatically mean he’s not worth £20m to Everton.

    £15m *might* allow us to bring in a suitable replacement, but if so, presumably that replacement is also available to Arsenal? Besides, any fee would also need to compensate for the disruption the departure of a key player would bring.

  20. Robm1980

    July 22, 2010 at 11:13 am

    The arrogance of Arsenal fans is ridiculous. Everton don’t have to sell, end off, his price is inflated for a reason, it means “go away”. David Moyes picks up players from lower leagues and gives them a chance, English ones too, maybe Arsenal should take a leaf out of his book, instead of waving cash around. Everton actually give young English player a chance, that’s what you do when you don’t have big money. The market as it is is a big problem, too much money at the top end. Clubs such as Spurs poach young english players all the time, only to rot in the reserves, hindering our national game, this does not happen in Germany, we’re always looking for a quick! Chelsea are a great example, when was the last time an English youngster came through since John Terry, they’re not even given a chance!

  21. Dr.Swallow the Blue

    July 22, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Jags is rated so highly by David Moyes which is why the price is so high, to deture any preditors from making bids, he’s Evertons best defender although Baines seems to be a class player now linking beautifully with Steven Pieenar. They play 2 yards from each other so I can understand why Mr.Moyes wants to keep him so much. He stated right at the end of last season,he wants to keep his main players and tie them down to longer contracts befor he gets players in, that is exactly what he’s doing so I have total faith in him. We’re trying to catch the Arse, not fall away. Watch out this season…………..

  22. Steve

    July 22, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Thing is, Fab4, he was never up for sale. So rather than whinging about clubs overpricing their players or players being priced out of a move, you make a bid and if you get knocked back you look elsewhere as (hopefully) you are doing. Or you try to unsettle the player, as Barcelona are doing to you and as City did to us.

    Just as with Arteta, the club aren’t interested in selling unless player/agent power starts to rear its ugly head (Pienaar is a slightly different case as he is running his contract down but even there, they are possibly looking at trading off letting him for the value of his performance).

    Strangely, if you are looking for a backup, I seem to remember you were after Yobo a few years ago and in that case he (and the club) probably would be up for it.

  23. Beamer

    July 22, 2010 at 11:26 am

    The market is simply based on whether and at what price clubs are prepared to do business. If EFC don’t want to sell, then tough – look elsewhere and stop crying.

    • Fab4

      July 22, 2010 at 11:36 am

      Who’s crying? I’m happy we wont spend £20m on a 27 year old who has had one good year. I think he’s a good player and would do well at Arsenal. But he’s certainly not worthy of being our record ever signing.

      As iv said before, your right. A player is only worth what the buying club is prepared to pay…in this case….NOT £20M!

      • Stefan

        July 22, 2010 at 11:46 am

        A player is only worth what the buying club is prepared to pay…in this case….NOT £20M!

        I agree on that too, the only way Moyes can make his point clear is by overpricing his key players and I dont think it has anything to do with being English, he is holding for 15m for Pienaar who has only one year left on his contract

  24. Mark

    July 22, 2010 at 11:29 am

    all this talk of valuations is ridiculous. I mean Jagielka isn’t for sale anyway and Everton don’t want to sell him because, to replace him with the same ‘proven’ quality would cost at least £20m. I say proven because it is obvious that we could take a punt on a £5-£10m player that might work out but it might not and could ruin our season.

    I really do find the attitude of the likes of ‘Fab4’ symptomatic of many fans of the so called ‘big four’. Why should we do you lot a favour by giving you our best player for £15m and compromise all the work that has been done building a good squad. It’s not just about whether you think £15m is the right price, it’s the message it sends to other clubs about us being a selling club at a time when we have other players with not long left to run on contracts.

    We are not a selling club anymore Fab4. I dearly hope that this preseason finally confirms this!!!!!

    • Fab4

      July 22, 2010 at 11:41 am

      Nobody wants a favour. What are you Everton fans not getting here? This isnt a ‘big 4’ issue. Its about inflated prices, and not just by Everton, by every club including Arsenal.

      So £15m is ‘giving’ a player away these days? Jeez. £15m is more than fair for Jagielka. You dont want to sell so you’ve uped the price to something un-realistic. FINE. No problem, i get it. And unfortunately Mark, every club is a selling club. You need to understand that EVERY player is available at EVERY club…it simply comes down to price.

      Ronaldo left United for a crazy £80m cos United didnt want to sell….but they did. Fabs is priced at £50m cos we dont want to sell, but we will (eventually). Lescott wasnt for sale, but he went in the end.

      • Mark

        July 22, 2010 at 12:19 pm

        I had a feeling the Lescott thing might come in. And to that end, Lescott wasn’t even out better centre half at the time and he want for £24m and we replaced him easily with Distin for £5m. Whenever Lescott and Jags played together in the centre, the amount of times Jags got Lescott off the hook was just incredible. Lescott was decent, but Jags put his neck on the line far more and made far more vital interceptions.

        I guess I should’ve made only one point, and that is that for £15m we would never be guaranteed a like for like replacement with experience, so it’s just not worth selling at that price, no matter how fair you think it is, and since he’s just signed a new contract and is completely happy at Everton, and our clubs debt is being managed effectively, there’s simply no need to sell, even at £20m.

        This whole pre-season has made me realise how far we’ve come, in the sense that if this had happened 5-6 years ago I’m sure Jagielka would be an Arsenal player by now

  25. Harley

    July 22, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Cesc, 10-12 M, Dear carlos , are you living in a real world? or simply on Mars or any other forgotten planet? OR may be you are still in the 50’s. Reply needed please.

  26. goon

    July 22, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Another example of overinflated domestic market – and we all saw how “great” English players were at the WC, didn’t we? Mass media and Sky are creating a balloon where overhyped English players are treated like gods – while they are just as average as any other around the country if we subtract the foreigners that make them look good within their clubs. You reap what you sow – a bunch of thugs and morons – the future of the English team…

  27. Allan

    July 22, 2010 at 11:51 am

    The Market price is the proce the market is prepared to pay, I know blindingly obvious but a number of the posters seem to miss the pont. If City wanted Cesc or Jags what would the price be, then thats the market value. Are they worth the ridiculous amounts of money quote, well yes if they also soleve the middle east crisi and cure cancer otherwise no but its not about what we think its about what clubs will pay. Arsenal and Everton have great traditions and handle themselves well (in the main) so if Everton weren’t interested Arsenal (rightly) have ended the speculation and for that they should be applauded, rather than take the death by a thousand cuts approach to try and get their man. I wish more clubs where as honest and upfront as Asrenal. I hope Cesc stays with you and we reverse the score that we had at Goodison last year, can’t see it and I’ll settle for you winning your first game ofthe season by the same score. Good luck to you gooners. COYB’s

  28. allan

    July 22, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Can’t get my i’s and o’s right sorry, this time in English
    The Market price is the price the market is prepared to pay, I know blindingly obvious but a number of the posters seem to miss the point. If City wanted Cesc or Jags what would the price be, then thats the market value. Are they worth the ridiculous amounts of money quote, well yes if they also solve the middle east crisis and cure cancer otherwise no but its not about what we think its about what clubs will pay. Arsenal and Everton have great traditions and handle themselves well (in the main) so if Everton weren’t interested Arsenal (rightly) have ended the speculation and for that they should be applauded, rather than take the death by a thousand cuts approach to try and get their man. I wish more clubs where as honest and upfront as Asrenal. I hope Cesc stays with you and we reverse the score that we had at Goodison last year, can’t see it and I’ll settle for you winning your first game ofthe season by the same score. Good luck to you gooners. COYB’s

  29. Connjam

    July 22, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    The price on jags head is probably related to his value to Everton. Added with the fact moyes wants to keep him. But credit to arsenal because they tried their luck. Were told no and went away. If only other clubs could take no for an answer and not use the media to unsettle players with talk of salaries.

  30. cheche

    July 22, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Every player has a price hence all players being for sale so anyone who says just say he’s not for sale’ needs to get real.

    You should know this with the Cesc debacle you are involved in. How much did Arsenal put on his head?? The point is they DID put a price on him knowing full well Barca wouldn’t pay.

    Nationality… why do you think Barca want Cesc so much… Oh yes he’s spanish and Barca is a spanish team!!! hmmm.

    You really should understand our stance on Jag a lot more… tut tut, ignorance is not attractive!

    • Fab4

      July 22, 2010 at 1:07 pm

      Please take the time to read my comments, i have stated i fully understand your stance on Jagielka and have no problem with it. Acussing someone of being ignorant while being ignorant yourself is certainly not attractive.

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