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Do we need to learn from the Germans?

Jun 27, 2010 - Bloemfontein, South Africa - German players celebrate their 4:1 victory and reaching the final eight after their match against England during the FIFA World Cup Round of 16 in Mangaung / Bloemfontein. Germany won 4-1.

By Sam Morgan.

There is no doubt that we were outclassed by a youthful and confident German side on Sunday. The manager has been blamed, so have the players, but what about the system we have in place in the Premier League? How come the Germans have so many talented youngsters at their disposal?

Firstly, there is no sign of a Chelsea or Manchester City type ownership as no club can be owned or controlled by a company or a particular person. This means, whilst not affording huge transfer fees and wages, they have to concentrate on their youth sides to produce talent for the first team. A year ago, Thomas Muller was playing for Bayern II in the German Third Division. I think everyone knows the damaged he caused England a few days ago.

Last summer, England’s Under 21 side lost 4-0 to the Germans in the final of the U21 European Championships. Four of those players, Manuel Neuer, Jerome Boateng, Sami Khedira and Mesut Ozil, have made the step up to the senior side, all featuring in the recent demolition of England. In comparison, James Milner is the only member of that U21 side that featured in this World Cup.

It is still hard to see where the next batch of youngsters will come from. Adam Johnson, Joe Hart and Jack Rodwell are all tipped to be future stars, but is this enough?

An encouragement is England’s U17s recently taking Germany’s European Championships crown to show that the talent is there. It’s how British clubs preserve this talent that is the key. Is the introduction of at least 8 home-grown players in a squad enough? And will the top Premier League clubs really opt for youth rather than proven experience abroad?



  1. Peter4Spurs

    July 3, 2010 at 10:11 am

    We will be in the wilderness for the next 10 years until the FA, UEFA and FIFA start to act to protect National players. Get rid of Slepp, get Platini in the hot seat (at least he has some good ideas), force through home grown talent by making the Worlds top leagues play at least 4 ‘of that nationality’ per game. Harsh, yes, needed – Oh Yes …

  2. chunky

    July 3, 2010 at 10:12 am

    It is still evident that we are apparently loathe to play anyone under 22/23 yrs old in our teams. whilst this continues we shall remain unable to compete. We must have trust in the up-and-coming talent or else why bother training them?
    still nothing will change – that’s the EPL way!

  3. davspurs

    July 3, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Why do we overact when we get beat Germany got beat by Switzerland. s ten men . Yes Germany beat our under twenty ones but we played the wrong goalkeeper Joe Heart could have played there goalkeeper was twenty four and is the present keeper. Secondly we missed Huddlestone the best passer in the prem .We beat every Team under Peter Taylor under Pierce we went backwards. Thirdley we have some great talent prevented from shining because of England’s click Chelsea Liverpool and Man UTD Players picked the twenty three not Capello by making sure in the two game show friendlys they influneced there own players performance Huddlestone looked lost with Lampard Lennon on the left Rooney and Bent miles apart and he never stood a chance or Wallcot 45 mins is not enough he played 80 mins in is whole senior carrear

  4. davspurs

    July 3, 2010 at 10:51 am

    These are the players we have and the next batch coming through. Lennon fully fit Huddlestone Agbonlahore Young Milner Johnson Rodwell Shawcross Heart Foster Lewis Gosling Bostock Caulker Parrett Mason Rose Walker Naughton Kane Townsend Loads of Arsenal player Wiltshire the pick Conner Wickham . Germany played the youngsters because of two things players two old and injurys we played older players and injured players and players in bad form that is the damning verdict .

  5. Sean

    July 3, 2010 at 10:59 am


  6. col

    July 3, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Until the FA change from the old blazer brigade and the yes man Brooking is gone nothing will change.I dont care how much Capello is paid,he can only work with what he has got and the pressure on him to pick players from a certain click of clubs is handicapping England.There are too many foreign players in our league ,this then slows to a trickle the number of young players coming through to top level club football. I agree ther are some potentially good players at all the top clubs but if they cant get regular first team game time at their respective clubs how can they be ready for international football.Platini is totally right about limitig the amount of non nationals allowed in club sides,but the clubs must not be allowed to find loopholes to get around the rules[ie spirit of the law rather than rule of the law].This also runs alongside clubs being self financing and not up to their necks in debt even if it is temporarily servicable debt.this still makes clubs look to the final article players from Africa,Eastern Europe as opposed to a youth policy at their clubs.There is no reason why England cannot be a top5 or 6 international side,but there has to be change at the FA first with emphasis on grass roots development and policies that encourage youth at club level,this can only be done by people who are not old farts and nose sucking yes men[Brooking] people who have balls,backbone and principle enough to speak out when they dont agree with the current policies.It is possible to pick an England team from outside the top teams.We have changed managers so many times without much success so lets try changing system,usual suspect players and policies

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  8. al

    July 3, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    It may also be worth mentioning that Germany have an open, if not progressive, attitude to nationality qualification. A third of the squad are first generation Germans with descent from a wide range of nationalities eg polish, turkish, tunisian, spanish, ghanaian etc. Whilst 5 of the squad (Podolski, Klose, Trochowski, Cacau, Marin) were not even born in Germany. Perhaps in 20 years time England will have a team of top youth talent descended from the recent influx of eastern europeans with a nice mix of adopted south americans to boot…or maybe not if England’s youth development system is still as antiquated as it currently is

  9. Phil

    July 3, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    The FA have a lot to answer for, but really we should look at our top flight. The “best league in the world” is because of the money that is spent by clubs. The likes of City and Chelsea are ruining football as the clubs around them will continue to spend obscene amounts to get the quality rather than nurturing it from a young age.

    The Premier League is a great commercial industry, but it is what truly hurts our nation.

    Finally, take a look at the U14s lvl football. Kids with genuine skill are pushed to the side for the big kids who can run fast and shrug people off the ball. Amateur coaches dont really teach kids well and the 442 system that is drilled in to us here is old fashioned and weak compared to a 433.

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